Evans Family Twyn-y-Waun 1853

[rogerc41]

I am new to this game so here is hoping I get it right.

 Two of my ancestors (gr-gr-grands) were married Dowlais Church in the Parish of Dowlais
                                                                 in the county of Glamorgan September 1852.
They were Hannah Evans born ~1823 and Richard Law (b. ~1814).
I am trying to locate their births and learn anything I can about their early life and parents.

A battered marriage certificate gives Hannah's father as Evan Evans (bless him) and Richard' father as Robert Law and both were “labourer”.
The place of residence in September 1852 of each of them is given as “Twyn-y-waun”.
Where there ever residences there or is this in fact a place of employment?
I am unable to locate either to my satisfaction in the 1841 or 1851 UK census.
Evan Evans can be found in Merthyr Ttdfil with daughter Hannah is to be found at least twice
but neither is a labourer and neither has an address which would correspond with Twyn-y-waun assuming it was then where it is today ?
Two questions relating to my search:
(i) the hamlet of Gellygid is where in today's terms ?
(ii) Is Twyn-y-wun the same place as Twynyrokin (or similar).

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Richard and Hannah migrated to Australia in 1853 and had a long and successful.
Anyone interested in them and their descendants I can help.

          rogerc41

[robertjones]

I can answer some questions,
The Gellideg Hamlet is on the west side of Merthyr Tydfil, Cyfarthfa, Heolgerrig,
And continuing south on the other side of the river Taff nearly to Troedyrhiw
Twyn-y-waun is not the same place as Twynrodyn, although boths on the east side of the borough of Merthyr Tydfil. Twyn-y-waun must have been a small community at one time as there was a public house there, The Full Moon, although it is better known as the place where an ancient fair, horse and other animals etc. was held several times a year..... in the middle ages as well as in recent years.

There is no 1841 census for Upper Merthyr Tydfil, which includes most of Dowlais. This is assumed to be destroyed or officially missing.
I am interested in the surname Law as I can see no one on the 1851 census returns or on the Merthyr Tydfil Marriage index with this surname
I can only see a birth with the mother being Evans ..... see below

LAW ELIZABETH F EVANS 67 7 JUNE 1853 20 DECEMBER 1853 MERTHYR TYDFIL LOWER L28
Lower Merthyr Tydfil
Only person with surname Law in ANY records

There is no mention of Law in the Parish registers or on any burial records.
Did the family just come to Merthyr Tydfil just before the birth of a child??
Will look again.
Rob

[rogerc41]

Hi Robert

I have a copy of the birth certificate from GRO (UK) and also of the marriage certificate. 
There is a Hannah Evans of the right age +/- listed as a servant at the public house on the night of the 1851 census.
Richard Law's death cert. has Lancashire as the place of birth but in Australia in 1870 they neither wrote well (if at all) nor cared a lot about data collection.

The marriage cert is headed "Marriage solemnized at Dowlais Church in the Parish of Dowlais."
dated september 1852 and is in the UK BMD index as 1852 vol 11A page 3777

On re-reading the marriage certificate I see it is not the parents who claim to live at Twyn-y-waun
but rather the bride and groom, so I will have to rethink the whole thing I guess.
Perhaps he, Richard was down from Lancashire to mine and she worked in the pub at which he stayed.
She probably wouldn't speak English and he would, I guess.
Chances of getting a line on the parents would now appear  to be very slight.

  roger.

if you would like a scan of either cert. let me know.

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